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You are right, Ginny Ann. Another thing that people don't seem to know about english ivy...rats adore it. It's their native habitat, really. In the wild...when 'Norway" or black rats were still wild creatures, english ivy was their home. It provided food and cover from predators.

ANyone who wants to plant or grow ivy in their gardens or around their homes is putting out a 'welcome!" mat to rats.

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